[He wasn't even looking for that confirmation. It just sort of happened. Looking for the confirmation would've required Naoki seeing the change in himself before their chat.]

I don't know. Helena-san got more out of him than I did. [Levi can take that as he will, and he'll probably be right.] And Naoto got some pretty direct stuff from Sun, so they don't always beat around the bush.

Maybe one of their rules has to do with how much they can come out and say. Or maybe one of the perspective differences at work here is how much they think they need to say for us to have enough to work with.