*God*. Yeah, we might want to see if we can talk to some of the Hecatite dreamers, then. Especially from their main planet. See if anything hinky is going on in their waking world.
Because I really *can* believe that whatever we're being sent to deal with now, it's probably the flip side of what we might have been sent to deal with if we chose Space.
And, uh, there's something I should tell you about Amal. Mine and Allura's child. Star-that-is-now.
She's got a mark on her. One that reads XXII.
... I think we might have done it, Joscelin. And here I thought we were just trying to persuade them they didn't necessarily need to play the game to bring their family back.
I mean. Kinda. I don't know if Amal knows they're my kid, but. That's how I think of them? I mean, that's just me, though. I'm the kind of weirdo who decides to adopt a living idea, just because me and my friend helped bring them back to life.
There's just-- this weird sort of appeal in making a kid, but not in the normal way. God, maybe that's why my Infiltrations keep getting knocked up. Wait, no, focus. Sorry.
But yeah. That's what I mean. There'd be twenty-two including the world... but the Fool is numbered zero so even the World would only be card XXI.
Who else could be XXII, Joscelin, but the Travelers?
Dining with priests and philosophers, if I have learned one truth of the universe, it's that because our minds have only conceived of a single possibility, does not make that possibility likely.
I think it is likely. But just because I have no other explanation, does not mean I think it is certain.
That's true, but it isn't what I mean. Think more broadly. Forget the Arcana. If a scientist, if a priest, if a poet had asked you what lay beyond the world, how would you answer them each?
With a scientist... the thing is with a scientist, the amount of universe we can know and perceive just yet is so much smaller than the actual amount of universe that's out there and a scientist would know that. So if a scientist asked me I'd say, "I don't know--but let's find out."
As to the priest--well, you're a priest, aren't you, Joscelin? Beyond the world lies the gods... and the One God who is still my god as much as his son, Yeshua, and his grandson, Elua. Though actually, my favorite ways of conceiving of the divine aren't from Catholic doctrine at all, but Judaic. If they have their equivalents in your world, they might be Yeshuite. I don't know. One of them is of course 'Shekinah'--which is the divine female, the dwelling-place of the holy spirit, and thus entirely appropriate for me to call my patron after she offered--and the other being 'Ein Sof,' and 'Ein Sof Ohr' which mean 'without end' and 'endless light' respectively.
There's just-- something very profound to me about the idea that beyond the world is the divine and the divine is just-- there and all-encompassing and I guess when I think of endless light I always visualize it as a ring but that's completely because of all the Madeline L'Engle I read as a girl.
To the poet...
[Her mental voice takes on a recitative quality:]
Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world. Push off, and sitting well in order smite The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths Of all the western stars, until I die. It may be that the gulfs will wash us down: It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles, And see the great Achilles, whom we knew. Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho' We are not now that strength which in old days Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
...Is that Odysseus or Jason, speaking those lines?
Regardless. That is an idea powerful enough to be an Arcana, is it not? Any of them are. And there are other modes, other mindsets, which will each find the idea of what lies beyond the boundary of the boundless in a different way.
Oh I trust them to embody their Idioms, and not a nanometer further. But both remaining idioms are those who are delighted by Traveller agency - as is the one who set these wheels in motion.
Far be it for me to put this past them; it's merely less likely than the Starmovers doing the same in this instance. And a mere ten percent less likely at that.
No, no, sorry. I think we got our wires crossed. I meant I distrust the people in charge of Hecate. I trust the Arcana to be no more and no less than what they are--and the fact that I even trust them that much has won me no friends.
And lost me them too, [she says bitterly.] I'm surprised no one's specifically guarding the Skittle headstones against me--I'm a cultist who only cares about power, haven't you heard?
...perhaps this is a topic that should not be discussed on an open channel; better to do so in my space, or yours.
You are no such thing and you know it; you have the wisdom born of suffering that makes one a Witch, and that includes not falling for such obvious traps. To hell with those who dare assume otherwise.
...Ah.
[She sounds surprised at her own vehemence, and at her using the Red and Blue of Beatrice for this purpose.]
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Travelers have little regard for conquerors. If this is what we face, I've no fear of it.
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Because I really *can* believe that whatever we're being sent to deal with now, it's probably the flip side of what we might have been sent to deal with if we chose Space.
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Perish the thought.
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Hahahaha yeah.
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Not only yours. I'm sure other Travelers have their own.
VERY private
And, uh, there's something I should tell you about Amal. Mine and Allura's child. Star-that-is-now.
She's got a mark on her. One that reads XXII.
... I think we might have done it, Joscelin. And here I thought we were just trying to persuade them they didn't necessarily need to play the game to bring their family back.
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I suppose she is. I hadn't considered Star in that light.
Thorne... perhaps you have. But perhaps the number and order among them has been changed.
Or...
A Mark. Like we are Marked by them?
the most private (also pretend she'd been using the right pronouns in her last tag)
There's just-- this weird sort of appeal in making a kid, but not in the normal way. God, maybe that's why my Infiltrations keep getting knocked up. Wait, no, focus. Sorry.
But yeah. That's what I mean. There'd be twenty-two including the world... but the Fool is numbered zero so even the World would only be card XXI.
Who else could be XXII, Joscelin, but the Travelers?
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Dining with priests and philosophers, if I have learned one truth of the universe, it's that because our minds have only conceived of a single possibility, does not make that possibility likely.
I think it is likely. But just because I have no other explanation, does not mean I think it is certain.
i'm gonna just assume this is forever private
Ooof. You're... actually probably right about that. Want to help me brainstorm what else it could be about, then?
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What lies beyond the World?
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As to the priest--well, you're a priest, aren't you, Joscelin? Beyond the world lies the gods... and the One God who is still my god as much as his son, Yeshua, and his grandson, Elua. Though actually, my favorite ways of conceiving of the divine aren't from Catholic doctrine at all, but Judaic. If they have their equivalents in your world, they might be Yeshuite. I don't know. One of them is of course 'Shekinah'--which is the divine female, the dwelling-place of the holy spirit, and thus entirely appropriate for me to call my patron after she offered--and the other being 'Ein Sof,' and 'Ein Sof Ohr' which mean 'without end' and 'endless light' respectively.
There's just-- something very profound to me about the idea that beyond the world is the divine and the divine is just-- there and all-encompassing and I guess when I think of endless light I always visualize it as a ring but that's completely because of all the Madeline L'Engle I read as a girl.
To the poet...
[Her mental voice takes on a recitative quality:]
Come, my friends,
'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
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Regardless. That is an idea powerful enough to be an Arcana, is it not? Any of them are. And there are other modes, other mindsets, which will each find the idea of what lies beyond the boundary of the boundless in a different way.
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Let me discuss the pertinent numbers...
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Far be it for me to put this past them; it's merely less likely than the Starmovers doing the same in this instance. And a mere ten percent less likely at that.
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(Is she quoting the flavor text of a Magic card.)
On the contrary, it has won you at least one, Witch of Humanity.
And no. Hecate's leaders do so remind me of the leaders Beatrice's grandmother had to contend with.
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You are no such thing and you know it; you have the wisdom born of suffering that makes one a Witch, and that includes not falling for such obvious traps. To hell with those who dare assume otherwise.
...Ah.
[She sounds surprised at her own vehemence, and at her using the Red and Blue of Beatrice for this purpose.]
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... shit, Bern. I never knew you felt like that about me. Holy crap.
I mean, uh, the people who most need to hear that aren't going to believe it because they don't know colored truth, but.
Thanks?
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As I said, this development as well is best said in private, and not over the Network.
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